NJ Insiders Not Sure Ryan Better Pick Than Christie

Republicans and Democrats agree, however, Paul Ryan's selection will galvanize their state parties, according to Patch flash poll.

New Jersey Republican and Democratic insiders believe Mitt Romney's VP pick will galvanize each of their parties in the state, but they're divided whether Paul Ryan is a better choice than Chris Christie.

Of the 24 Republican respondents to Patch's flash poll this weekend, 25 percent strongly agree and 25 percent strongly disagree with the statement, "Paul Ryan is a stronger VP candidate than Chris Christie would have been." Nearly 17 percent said they somewhat agreed with the statement, while 12.5 percent somewhat disagreed and 20.8 percent were not sure.

However, more than 50 percent of the 27 Democratic respondents either strongly agreed or somewhat agreed that Ryan was the better choice, while 18.5 percent somewhat disagreed and 11.1 percent strongly disagreed.

While one GOP respondent said, "Glad C.C. Isnt the selection," another Republican said the New Jersey governor and Wisconsin congressman share similar ideas.

"I think supporters of Christie's reforms will welcome Ryan on the ticket," the respondent said. "He's Christie's ideological first cousin."

Republicans and Democrats agreed Ryan's selection will galvanize each of their parties in the state.

Half of the GOP respondents strongly agreed with the statement, "Mitt Romney's decision to choose Paul Ryan as his VP candidate will galvanize New Jersey Republicans." Another 25 percent somewhat agreed with the statement, while 12.5 percent somewhat disagreed and 4.2 percent strongly disagreed.

Democratic respondents were unsure if Ryan's selection would galvanize New Jersey Republicans with more than 25 percent saying they somewhat agree and the same amount saying they somewhat disagree.

"Ryan galvanizes the conservative base of the Republican Party," one GOP respondent said. "He brings a wealth of knowledge with regard to economic matters and helps define the economy as the number one issue in this election."

Nearly 50 percent of Democratic respondents somewhat agreed and another 30 percent strongly agreed that Ryan as the VP candidate will galvanize New Jersey Democrats.

Nearly 17 percent of the Republicans strongly agreed and 37.5 percent somewhat agreed that Ryan would galvanize New Jersey Democrats.

Nearly all Democratic respondents either strongly agreed or somewhat agreed with the statement, "Now that Ryan is on the ticket, New Jersey Democrats can win by running against Ryan's existing budget plans and particularly his proposal for Medicare." However, nearly 40 percent of Republicans strongly disagreed with the statement.

"The Democratic Party needs to go after both Romney and Ryan for what they are, killers of Social Security and Medicare, they both believe Americans should 'work until they die,'" one Democratic respondent said.

More than 85 percent of Democratic respondents either strongly agreed or somewhat agreed that Romney's "decision to choose Paul Ryan as his VP candidate will help the Obama-Biden campaign win the votes of senior citizens in New Jersey."

One Democrat said Ryan's selection "presents voters in NJ with the starkest contrast between governing philosophies that they have faced in many years. Ryan makes Ronald Reagan look like a liberal."

What other Democratic respondents are saying about Ryan:

"Romney loses many independent voters due to the already conservative nature of Romney's campaign. It's now even more conservative."

"It will get Tea Party Conservatives, who have been cool to Romney so far, strongly behind him."

"The biggest advantage is they now have a candidate who has at least the reputation of being a fighter, a quality Romney lacks."

What Republican respondents are saying about Ryan:

"Ryan is a serious Congressman for serious times. His solutions are grounded in reality and with comprehensive detail. He is also a nice person who is able to congenially put forth challenging ideas. He is not a "caricature politician" full of sound bites, but rather real ideas and solutions. He is a Catholic and given Obama administrations attacks on religious freedom, this should be noted."

"Ryan is fiscally conservative, smart and energetic—Romney chose well."

"I have not yet discovered a positive for Romney's decision."

"As New Jerseyians already know, it all about the high taxes and no job. Ryan knows that government spending at all level must get under control! He is dedicated to solving the problem and will get the taxes under control, the economy going and jobs rolling again in the USA."

Earlier this summer, Patch invited Democratic and Republican state leaders to participate in regular surveys about their thoughts on national and statewide issues. These leaders include state Senators, mayors, town council members and local party chairs. To become an insider, email Mike Pignataro at mike@patch.com

Concerned August 20, 2012 at 03:07 PM
Bellair That was Obama election pandering to his base. The Republicans want the tax cust extended for all, as the small business owners which create jobs cannot have a tax increase at this time. Even President Clinton has stated you cannot raise taxes until the economy starts to grow. Tax increases are inevitable but they must be passed along with entitlement refoms so we reduce the govt debt load.
Concerned August 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM
KMN, Its not hogwash at all. The Bush tax cuts expire equates to $4 trillion in taxes. The largest tax hike in our history. Here is a summary from the press: Members of Congress from both parties are increasingly mulling the unthinkable: going home in December without acting to avoid the $4 trillion in tax hikes and deep spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff. Neither Democrats nor Republicans claim this is their preferred option, as it could rattle global financial markets badly and anger their constituents.
August West August 20, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Ryan has no skeletons in his closet? How about how he was against Obamas stimulus except when he was requesting it. And the recently released footage of his promoting Keynsian economics in House testimony in 2002 when GWB requeseted stimulus funds from Congress. Paul Ryan has proven he will say whatever he is told to by the highest bidder.
BellairBerdan August 20, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Concerned you really just want to pick and choose your truths. If Obama was pandering to the base then his base is 98% of the people. If the Republicans cannot even vote on things we both agree, don't you think THEY are pandering to their base? Clinton said he thought everything should be extended to the end of they year, after the election. Don't put your words into his mouth, or at least listen to more than a Fox sound byte. The fact remains that the Republican party is holding the American people hostage, willing to destroy us all if they don't get their way. Just like they did with the debt ceiling. Most people are realizing this. Don't be surprised if you lose Congress again. That's the only way to get anything done now. BTW, why did you remove your initial posting? Was is too full of holes even for you?
I am Spartacus August 20, 2012 at 04:44 PM
I don't know what you folks are arguing about. The Bush tax cuts expiration is a massive tax hike. Obamacare is a massive tax hike. The deficit is out of control and the automatic spending cuts take effect even if these massive tax hikes take effect b/c the spending limits Congress passed by law already factored in these tax increases into the budgetary forecasts and Congress has made absolutely no progress on what to do about the deficit or how to pay for any extension of the Bush tax cuts for some or all people.
Dan Grant August 20, 2012 at 04:53 PM
Since I am being attacked personally. From the Star Ledger article ""I gave him a letter that there were things posted on our website that regrettably were not 100 percent accurate," said Grant, a Democrat who is again running for township committee this year. "I made it clear the word 'apology' was not going to appear and that it better not cost me a dime." Does that sound like anything more than a settlement? I had no lawyer and defended myself and Soussa's high priced Lawyer pleaded with me to settle so he could end the case. Settlements are done when there is no prospect of winning and that is why Soussa settled.
August West August 20, 2012 at 04:53 PM
Ryan was a member of the Simpson-Bowles commission and voted AGAINST the bi-partisan plan they issued. Obama chose not to adopt the paln. So much for bi-partisan.
I am Spartacus August 20, 2012 at 04:57 PM
I keep hearing that nonsense about taxes being just fine at the higher rates under Clinton but I never hear anyone volunteering that they themselves have their rates go up to the Clinton era rates. So if you really want to go down that path, how about every adult in this country just get all our taxes and our tax credits get rolled back to the Clinton era levels. If it is good enough for the rich then it is good enough for everyone.
August West August 20, 2012 at 05:06 PM
Sir: you are an idiot and don't deserve to finish your current term on earth. The full quote (from Fox News) clearly shows Obama was referring to The American System, roads and bridges, the internet, etc. Taking this snippet of the quote out of context reveals your agenda and lack of intelligence. "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/24/obama-claims-romney-twisted-his-words-on-didnt-build-that/#ixzz246fhHxSV
James P. Page August 20, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Makes one feel wonderful knowing that if anything ever happened to Obama, that Bidden would be in charge. Now that alone is a scary thought!
James P. Page August 20, 2012 at 05:18 PM
No kidding he didn't start Staples, or Sports Authority. Bain Capitol is an Investment Company that provided funding that help enable those businesses to grow into what they are today. They do RISK analysis, and if it's a worth risk they invest. Unlike Al Gore who DID NOT start the Internet, but he makes that false claim. Keep trying, keep reaching, it does make for entertainment....
Concerned August 20, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Bellaire I did not remove any posts. As for Obama and his political leadership pandering, he knew he republicans would not ever accept during a weak economy raising taxes. He just wanted to rant and rave about how republicans only care about the 1% blah blah blah. The republicans know that if we raise any taxes at this time it will send us into a double dip recession. Obama only wants to stay in office, at any cost. I am not a fox news junkie. I am an independent who voted for Obama the last time. I will not do it again as he does not have the leadership skills to be President.
Edward P. Campbell August 20, 2012 at 09:10 PM
Dan, you are a Typical Obama Voter - You all can lie with such ease. Guess that is why you consider yourselves to be so enlightened? You published Fraudulent Facts about a person, and that person had the guts to stand up to your fraudulent bullying and sue you! At the end of the day you had to admit you posted Fraudulent Facts! End of Story! BTW, there is no personal attack of you occurring here. Think of it more like a Newspaper reporting the facts. A personal attack would be more like the post you put up here to chatham98.
Roll Back Our Tax August 20, 2012 at 09:20 PM
More of the same....doesn't matter who's elected. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same What a depressing choice the American people are being presented with this year.
Dan Grant August 20, 2012 at 09:57 PM
Actually Ed, you couldn't be more wrong. If I hired a Lawyer because I believed I was slandered and that was the best he could do for me I would fire the Lawyer. Oh wait..........
Edward P. Campbell August 20, 2012 at 10:53 PM
Yet another Dan Grant LIE! Boy, oh boy, they just seem to slip out of your lips, and off you fingertips with such ease.
HCKid August 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM
Scott, as my father said figures don't lie but liars use figures.
HCKid August 20, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Really Welfare???? the total spent of welfare of the US budget has been reported at 12%. Over a third (37%) ]the biggest line item in the category “Social exclusion n.e.c.” (meaning Not Elsewhere Considered) is the Earned Income Tax Credit. How, exactly, is offering a tax deduction to people who find and maintain employment welfare? It shouldn’t be a line item anywhere unless you are going to get into every deduction and tax credit on the books, the majority of which benefit wealthy taxpayers and corporations. That’s why they’ve hidden it under the boring-looking “miscellaneous” category of Not Elsewhere Considered.
HCKid August 20, 2012 at 11:13 PM
The bottom line answer is that Rmoney chose Ryan because David Koch (his real boss) and his brothers told him to.
Roll Back Our Tax August 21, 2012 at 10:01 AM
When you get comfortable with the idea that the same dollar gets spent over and over in the economy, you’ll begin to reconcile that notion with the fact that total government spending (Federal, State and Local) accounted for over 40% of GDP in 2011. Then it becomes clear that you are already living in on of those countries where the government controls everything. Next thing you know, you’ll start connecting the dots between the nation’s skyrocketing public debt and the private fortunes amassed by a select few, and no one who’s in on the fix wants that. Better than one in seven Americans are now on food stamps thanks to Washington’s disastrous policies, but narcissists refuse to recognize the consequences of their own actions. That’s how they sleep at night. They see themselves as saviours, feeding the inferior huddled masses too stupid to fend for themselves, so of course they deserve more money. The only thing they learn from shitty results is that they need more power, more control and more money. The so-called “fiscal cliff” represents nothing more than a return to policies proven far less dysfunctional than the current ones, but Washington doesn’t see it that way. Instead they want you to beg them to save you from this horrific monster and adore them when they double down on policies that serve to increase your dependency on them. http://acrossthestreetnet.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/shhhh-its-even-worse-than-the-great-depression/
BellairBerdan August 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Concerned, I don't for one minute think you ever voted for Obama. You just want to say that to try and give your position false credibility. Obama proposed to settle the tax issue once and for all for 98% of Americans right now. He said we can continue to debate the other points. You know that the Republicans need to hold all those people hostage to get what they want, just like they did last January. as far as leadership? He got Bin Laden, signed the Lily Ledbetter fiar pay act, got us out of Iraq, ended don't as don't tell, saved the US auto industry, and got health benefits for 9-11 responders. That's just a few. Why do you want to vote for a man that hides his money overseas and flips flops on every issue?
Concerned August 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Bellair, i did vote for Obama because I could never vote for a ticket with Palin a heartbeat from the Presidency. Obama cannot make decisions and if it were not for Hillary and Panetta, Osama would still be alive. GM is not saved, just given time and they will need another bailout in the future due to very heavy labor and benefit costs. they needed a restructuring, but Obama bailed out the unions not GM. Obama is the only president who could not get a budget passed even when his party controlled the congress. a new book has been released "Leading from Behind, a reluctant President and his Advisors". You will never read it but you should if you have any desire for an open mind. Obama lacks the leadership skills required to be president.
stewart resmer August 21, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Rep. Akin’s ‘fake science’ is ‘the new Republican normal’
CaldwellTurfGuy August 23, 2012 at 01:03 AM
The new normal for liberals is painting hundred's of Millions of American with a broad brush because 1 guy says something totally wrong and outrageous.
Maurice Marvi August 23, 2012 at 03:50 AM
Caldwell, Akin wasn't alone. His junk science source, Jack Wilke is a regular provider of dubious facts for many of the Republican leaders today. Check out Romneys use of him as a surrogate on his Pro-Life agenda in 2008.
B@B August 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM
It isn't just Akin. Republicans have been trying to convince people that any woman who is pregnant from a rape must have wanted it for years. Their junk "science" has to invent out of whole cloth a "garage door opener" for the uterus so that they can paint women with unwanted pregnancies as dirty sluts. The most egregious of these was a state legislator who in 2006 described (graphically) a grotesque situation in which the "sodomized virgin exception" might be invoked. Google "Bill DiNapoli sodomized virgin exception" and you'll see the very sick mindset these people have. (Hint: It's not about human life, because the woman never, ever, ever figures into their arguments. She is nothing but an unthinking, unfeeling vessel in their eyes.)
Concerned August 23, 2012 at 01:12 PM
Caldwell, so very true!
John Ford August 24, 2012 at 11:37 PM
He isn't a fat bully like Governor Christie. He is a skinny mean man.
Rufus Wainright August 27, 2012 at 02:58 PM
Well reasoned analysis.
B@B August 27, 2012 at 04:53 PM
I can't wait to watch Bobby Jindal ask for government assistance after Isaac decimates his state...and then come to the convention railing against government.


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