Politics at Thanksgiving Table: Appetizing or Annoying?
Does political talk go well with turkey, dressing and pumpkin pie? Or does it just make for a dyspeptic holiday?
As you celebrate the Thanksgiving Day holiday this year, consider the the following. The next time you do so, the 2012 presidential election campaign will have just ended.
So for those inclined to campaign at the Thanksgiving table, 2011 is it. But is that a good idea? Stories of political arguments ruining holiday gatherings are the stuff of many family legends.
Whether you are host or guest, do you favor or dread political conversation over Thanksgiving Dinner? Let us know by voting in our poll and sharing your experiences and your advice here.
Linda Sadlouskos
2:37 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
It definitely depends! What do you do if you're vastly outnumbered?
John Bennett
3:02 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
As you point out, the media will be all over it for the next 50 weeks...we deserve a Quiet Zone...
Dan Grant
3:07 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
LOL, No such thing in today's world. Besides in my family we are all smart people and generally agree.(joke-joke)
Natalie Davis
4:24 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Change the odds. Spend the holidays alone. No fighting!
Mike
7:21 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
Not a bad idea, Natalie, especially when one's family foe is the Family Elder and thinks, er, KNOWS he is right about everything.
Michael Brancato
5:12 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Booze + politics/ religion = ruined pie.
Madison Cyclist
5:41 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Who cares about political discussion? Thanksgiving is still all about NO GIFTS!
Mike
7:22 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
Though listening to some family members share their Black Friday strategies can be disgusting or amusing, depending.
YankeeClipper
7:23 am on Thursday, November 24, 2011
01.20.2013 the end of an error
Mike
7:23 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
Amen, YankeeClipper! Can't wait to see which solution wins the Steel Cage Match. But you gotta get more original than this tired phrase.
Jo
10:53 am on Thursday, November 24, 2011
In the "old" days, there were plazas, squares and downtowns, where people could have conversations about any important things that affect their lives. Now that we've "mall-ified" our lives, and need permits to congregate in our own streets, let's be open to discourse whenever we can get it. However, we need to come to the table with the right attitude, not with the need to win or lose, but with a sincere desire to listen deeply, what makes our relatives tick.
TCG
12:47 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
This is my first Thanksgiving alone. I grew up in Chatham and was blessed to live in a home where the classic family dinner was a given each year. My mom and hers cooking for what seemed like days. Football on in the den and being played in the yard. After the big Township-Boro game, of course. But I don't recall politics being discussed at Thanksgiving dinner. I think maybe the social mores and just plain manners were better observed back then. Years later, in my late twenties, my father died suddenly one September evening. My mom, my sister and I lived in fear of that first Thanksgiving without him. He was the anchor and we were adrift. Relatives had us join their table and it made me realize what the holiday is truly all about. Still, no politics discussed at that gathering either - one we enjoyed for several years until we were back on our feet at holiday time. But then I married into a family who's politics happened to be the polar opposite of mine on virtually every issue. Regardless of which in-law hosted, each and every Thanksgiving politics was being discussed almost the moment after grace was said. Knowing I was outnumbered by about 15-1, I worked hard to keep my opinionated mouth shut for as long as could. Didn't last long. I made the mistake of offering my two cents and that tended to set off a spirited and sometimes downright nasty political discourse. This gained me the ire of my wife and the disdain of everyone else. My wife has since left me.
Mike
7:25 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
@Todd: Sorry about the wife thing (assuming her leaving was bad). Why'd you marry a lib'ruhl, anyway?
TCG
12:55 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
almost done - promise. My wife has left and filed for divorce. So this Thanksgiving I find myself alone with my dog watching football. I know the political conversation will take place without me this year, but will no doubt be somewhat dull as without me there, it will be unanimous agreement on every issue. Pass the cranberry sauce, please! However, despite the fact I was always the odd man out and the fact I know they are unquestionably mocking me in my absence this year, I can offer the following advice to anyone about to embark on the walk to the table while wondering if politics will come up: it surely will. And when it does, make your point briefly and with facts, not ideology. Wait until all others have spoken and then say your piece quietly and without emotion. Or feel free to scream it from the mountaintop. You see politics at Thanksgiving is the essence of the holiday. Carefully crafted political agility is what allowed those pilgrims to break bread with those natives. And on this Thanksgiving, even though I know I'd be rhetorically pummelled for my views, I would give anything to be back at that table, even if only to listen and soak in the blesseing of being surrounded by those you love even if they don't love you. Go ahead - discuss politics or even religion. But do so with kindness and decency instead of rancor and condescension. Because the only thing worse than politics at the holiday table, is the silence of an empty home where your family used to be.
Jo
1:15 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
Todd,
I'd like to extend an emotional hand at this difficult stage of your life. It's so true that separating ourselves from family is hard, whether we like them or not. Do try to treat yourself, somehow, today. I remember having my wedding band (which had carved detail on it) fitted with a beautiful amethyst stone one year, when no one was in my life. This is not to say I care much for material things -- it was just an acknowledgment that we need to give ourselves gifts.... I appreciate your sharing observations, thoughts and sound recommendations.
Karin Szotak
2:21 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
Todd, if you are still in Chatham or local, feel free to look me up and join us for Thanksgiving. Not much politics gets discussed here, but I hate that people are alone on the holiday. Kasz210@optonline.net
Turkey will be on the table about 4ish. There is more than plenty. When we were little my grandmother used to insist on setting an extra plate, just in case. Perhaps this is the case.
Karin Szotak
2:27 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
But I forget to tell you Todd, that we support the dodgers, so if you are a screaming Chatham fan, all bets are off. But football will be on all afternoon.
Mike
7:27 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
@Todd: Wait a minute...if you're suggesting making "your point briefly and with facts, not ideology"...that means YOU were the lib'ruhl?! From Chatham? ENDANGERED SPECIES ALERT!
Monica Sclafani
6:47 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
Karin - you are the best!!! Hope you and yours had a wonderful day and I hope Todd took you up on your offer!
Blessings! Monica Sclafani
Sharon Maroldi
9:05 pm on Thursday, November 24, 2011
The hardest thing to remember is all holidays are imperfect. Dinners are more apt to follow those of Clark Griswold than Norman Rockwell scenes. Faced with sitting around a home cooked meal at a table with family, people will say the wrong things, or weird things, some food will be good and some will be not-so-good, kids will cry, and the dog will get under your feet. That being said, if someone says something disagreeable, I will utter a soundbyte opinion that would fit into a Twitter feed. I reserve long, annoying conversations for non-holidays.
Mike
7:28 am on Friday, November 25, 2011
At least the kids are all pre-occupied with Facebook and texting and as such, aren't as annoying as previous generations.